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Crime and Punishment

Last weekend nine high school boys from my local area apparently got bored towards the end of their February vacation, went onto the internet, learned how to go about making a chemical bomb out of a soda bottle, and then proceeded to do so.  They then allegedly drove around and placed one in a random mailbox and another in the driveway of a fellow student, which wound up under a car on that property.  They both detonated, causing considerable damage to the mailbox, and minimal damage to the underside of the car.  They were caught, they were arrested, and they now face criminal charges, the most serious of which is possession of an infernal machine which carries a sentence of up to 10 years in prison or a $1000 fine. 

The students, all of which have an otherwise clean record and many of which are 18, received a 7:30 curfew pending case review next month and face disciplinary action at school.  The boys admitted to the police that they did this, but stated that it was a practical joke with no intention of causing harm.  There is no denying that they were lucky.  The exact chemical makeup within the soda bottles has not been disclosed, however, the fact that the explosion had enough force to severely damage the mailbox is enough proof that someone could easily have gotten hurt.

Naturally the comments on the online newspapers have gone rabid.  Some take the stance these boys committed acts of terrorism, and in the face of a post 9/11 world there should be zero tolerance for their actions.  Others take the stance that these are good kids, from good families, who have never committed a previous crime.  They state that though the boys made a very bad decision no one was hurt, and while they should be held accountable they should not be sent to prison for what could have happened.

So let’s think about this.  Think back to when you were 18, or if you have teenage children consider them.  If you made this stupid, stupid mistake, would you support a maximum sentence if you or your child had committed this act?  And think about if it was your mailbox, or your car.  Would your stance be that these boys should go to prison for the destruction of your property or for the possibility that you could have been harmed?

If convicted, do these boys need to be punished?  I believe absolutely yes, they do.  Should prison be their sentence?  Will they come out better citizens, making a positive contribution to society if their college education (some of which I hear have scholarships that could be lost) is delayed, possibly even permanently?  I do not pretend to know enough about the inside walls of our correctional institutions beyond the one semester I took of criminal psychology, but I do feel I know enough to say that these boys would be drastically changed, and it will not for the better.  This one horribly misguided evening will not end their lives, but if they are sent to prison for an extended period of time, it could very well lead them to a path of further destruction.  And please let me clarify, I do not hold this opinion because they are considered otherwise “good kids from good families”; I say this for any first time teenage offender who just made the biggest mistake of his life.

I’m sure I would have a different opinion if someone was hurt, or worse if their actions had taken a life.  And I’m sure some would argue, what’s to stop the next group of kids from doing the same thing if these boys get off so lightly?  There are others who would say these are not boys.  These are 17 and 18 year olds on the brink of manhood, and it’s time to start acting like adults.  These are all valid points.  Wouldn’t it be wonderful if these boys, as part of a hefty community service requirement (and fines for the destruction of property), were to speak out in public to other teens to discuss their mistakes, how they almost lost everything, and what they have learned as a result?  I hope that the judge responsible for deciding the fate of these boys will consider not only the crime and the risk to the well being of themselves and others, but also the actual result of the damage.  Not just the destruction of property that took place, but also the future of the nine lives at stake. 

This is my opinion.  I would love to hear yours.

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  • http://www.bearypixie.blogspot.com/ Lindsay

    This is a very interesting debate. I also believe that prison worsens the person, should they get jail time? No. I think they should have lots of community service though and a fine as well as other various punishments. I think this was a stupid decision, but shouldn’t (since no one was hurt) be punished for the rest of their lives. Now I know I might have had a completely different stance on this if it was my child that got hurt, but in this case no one was hurt, thank goodness. I hope a very valuable lesson is learned for these kidds and they don’t make another decision like this that could possibly hurt someone. Maybe this could be a wake up call?

    I also want to thank you for following me, I am now following you too :D
    Hope you have a great weekend, thanks for this post, I liek to debate things like this and see how everyone views these sort of situations.

    xoxo,
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  • http://www.bearypixie.blogspot.com/ Lindsay

    This is a very interesting debate. I also believe that prison worsens the person, should they get jail time? No. I think they should have lots of community service though and a fine as well as other various punishments. I think this was a stupid decision, but shouldn’t (since no one was hurt) be punished for the rest of their lives. Now I know I might have had a completely different stance on this if it was my child that got hurt, but in this case no one was hurt, thank goodness. I hope a very valuable lesson is learned for these kidds and they don’t make another decision like this that could possibly hurt someone. Maybe this could be a wake up call?

    I also want to thank you for following me, I am now following you too :D
    Hope you have a great weekend, thanks for this post, I liek to debate things like this and see how everyone views these sort of situations.

    xoxo,
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  • http://conniptionknit.wordpress.com/ Andrea (@shutterbitch)

    I am in agreement with you, let the punishment fit the crime. I say make them pay a fine, replace or repair the property damaged, and give them community service out the nose.

    If we start punishing people on the harm that *could* have been inflicted, where do we stop? Punishing people’s thoughts? That’s another form of terrorism, in my opinion. Sort of a reverse terrorism.

  • http://conniptionknit.wordpress.com Andrea (@shutterbitch)

    I am in agreement with you, let the punishment fit the crime. I say make them pay a fine, replace or repair the property damaged, and give them community service out the nose.

    If we start punishing people on the harm that *could* have been inflicted, where do we stop? Punishing people’s thoughts? That’s another form of terrorism, in my opinion. Sort of a reverse terrorism.

  • http://www.jessefergusoncpa.com/ Jesse

    Judge Jesse’s Sentence for each of them:

    $500 fine OR 25 hours of yardwork/housework/chores for the victim, payment for all property damages, and 150 hours of community service at a nonprofit or municipality chosen/approved by the victim.

    And of course, a personalized apology letter to be placed in the new mailbox.

    This will also remain off of their “permanent record” as long as they aren’t convicted of any additional crimes over the next three years.

  • http://www.jessefergusoncpa.com Jesse

    Judge Jesse’s Sentence for each of them:

    $500 fine OR 25 hours of yardwork/housework/chores for the victim, payment for all property damages, and 150 hours of community service at a nonprofit or municipality chosen/approved by the victim.

    And of course, a personalized apology letter to be placed in the new mailbox.

    This will also remain off of their “permanent record” as long as they aren’t convicted of any additional crimes over the next three years.

  • http://www.mom-et-al.com/ Tony

    After reading Jesse’s comment, if you listen closely you can hear the “Law and Order” sound.

  • http://www.mom-et-al.com Tony

    After reading Jesse’s comment, if you listen closely you can hear the “Law and Order” sound.

  • http://thegimlinfamily.blogspot.com/ Stephanie

    Wow! My first time visiting and such a intense topic :) I couldn’t help but comment.

    I agree with you… the crime needs to fit the punishment. These kids were lucky that no one was hurt, but that is the fact. It was stupid, careless and should have consequences… but 10 years prison time?! I think that is a little far.

    I think community service- yes, fines- yes, house arrest- possibly. But I agree Andrea, we can’t punish for what might’ve happened, that is a slippery slope!

    Thanks!
    Stephanie
    http://www.thegimlinfamily.blogspot.com

    Thanks for following! I am a new follower as well :)
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  • http://thegimlinfamily.blogspot.com Stephanie

    Wow! My first time visiting and such a intense topic :) I couldn’t help but comment.

    I agree with you… the crime needs to fit the punishment. These kids were lucky that no one was hurt, but that is the fact. It was stupid, careless and should have consequences… but 10 years prison time?! I think that is a little far.

    I think community service- yes, fines- yes, house arrest- possibly. But I agree Andrea, we can’t punish for what might’ve happened, that is a slippery slope!

    Thanks!
    Stephanie
    http://www.thegimlinfamily.blogspot.com

    Thanks for following! I am a new follower as well :)
    .-= Stephanie´s last blog ..Owl City =-.

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=17564299558586061862 Stephanie

    Wow! My first time visiting and such a intense topic :) I couldn’t help but comment.

    I agree with you… the crime needs to fit the punishment. These kids were lucky that no one was hurt, but that is the fact. It was stupid, careless and should have consequences… but 10 years prison time?! I think that is a little far.

    I think community service- yes, fines- yes, house arrest- possibly. But I agree Andrea, we can’t punish for what might’ve happened, that is a slippery slope!

    Thanks!
    Stephanie
    http://www.thegimlinfamily.blogspot.com

    Thanks for following! I am a new follower as well :)

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=17564299558586061862 Stephanie

    Wow! My first time visiting and such a intense topic :) I couldn’t help but comment.

    I agree with you… the crime needs to fit the punishment. These kids were lucky that no one was hurt, but that is the fact. It was stupid, careless and should have consequences… but 10 years prison time?! I think that is a little far.

    I think community service- yes, fines- yes, house arrest- possibly. But I agree Andrea, we can’t punish for what might’ve happened, that is a slippery slope!

    Thanks!
    Stephanie
    http://www.thegimlinfamily.blogspot.com

    Thanks for following! I am a new follower as well :)

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=04639634964046880057 Cassity

    Hey, I just came over form your visit!@ Glad i did, my mind is reeling…

    This is a tough subject, if the boys had gone out in the middle of nowhere and detonated these bombs and got caught it would not be as serious. They have to realize how lucky they are that no one did get hurt. I have a 7 month old daughter that takes the trip to the mailbox with me and what if something like that had happened, or the car…

    Just because they were lucky enough not to hurt anyone, doesn’t mean that there wasn’t some intent. If there was no intent they wouldn’t have done it at someone’s house. They are old enough to know better. The excuse that it was just a prank is simply not good enough. IT is easy to feel bad after the fact when you have been caught…

    I do NOT think they should go to jail, but they must face REAL consequences. Loose scholarships if it comes to that. And face some serious hard work and community service that will hopefully make them never be that stupid again.

    We can’t take consequences away. If we overdose on drugs we die, if we drive without a seat belt and are reckless we can die. Life is full of REAL consequences and children to not gain from not facing up to reality. Reality is harsh, at some point they will truly regret their decisions, I hope they understand it now, but I doubt unless they see some actual consequences that they will truly understand the full offense!

    Let me just say, I am glad I don’t have to decide their fate, I truly hope that they really learn from this.

    I am SO glad no one was hurt!

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=04639634964046880057 Cassity

    Hey, I just came over form your visit!@ Glad i did, my mind is reeling…

    This is a tough subject, if the boys had gone out in the middle of nowhere and detonated these bombs and got caught it would not be as serious. They have to realize how lucky they are that no one did get hurt. I have a 7 month old daughter that takes the trip to the mailbox with me and what if something like that had happened, or the car…

    Just because they were lucky enough not to hurt anyone, doesn’t mean that there wasn’t some intent. If there was no intent they wouldn’t have done it at someone’s house. They are old enough to know better. The excuse that it was just a prank is simply not good enough. IT is easy to feel bad after the fact when you have been caught…

    I do NOT think they should go to jail, but they must face REAL consequences. Loose scholarships if it comes to that. And face some serious hard work and community service that will hopefully make them never be that stupid again.

    We can’t take consequences away. If we overdose on drugs we die, if we drive without a seat belt and are reckless we can die. Life is full of REAL consequences and children to not gain from not facing up to reality. Reality is harsh, at some point they will truly regret their decisions, I hope they understand it now, but I doubt unless they see some actual consequences that they will truly understand the full offense!

    Let me just say, I am glad I don’t have to decide their fate, I truly hope that they really learn from this.

    I am SO glad no one was hurt!

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=00010883269990186166 Bridgette Groschen

    Hi There! Stopping by from Friday Follow. I am a new follower! Hope you can come visit me!

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  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=00010883269990186166 Bridgette Groschen

    Hi There! Stopping by from Friday Follow. I am a new follower! Hope you can come visit me!

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  • http://mysoupbaby.blogspot.com/ Crystal

    My nephews did dumb stuff like this when they were kids – luckily not to anyone elses mailbox – their own. THey turned out just fine when they grew up – no unibombers here. Some kids just do this stuff because they are bored or provoked by other kids some don’t – some have a real agenda on their minds. I think court and community service is a good start and if they were scared out of their wits when it blew up – maybe they won’t continue this pattern – but if they are bad seeds well – jail and prison will be in their future reguardless.

  • http://mysoupbaby.blogspot.com/ Crystal

    My nephews did dumb stuff like this when they were kids – luckily not to anyone elses mailbox – their own. THey turned out just fine when they grew up – no unibombers here. Some kids just do this stuff because they are bored or provoked by other kids some don’t – some have a real agenda on their minds. I think court and community service is a good start and if they were scared out of their wits when it blew up – maybe they won’t continue this pattern – but if they are bad seeds well – jail and prison will be in their future reguardless.

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=03638185598364754977 Cakeblast

    I agree with Jesse – Compensation to the victims, community service, plus they should get maybe 6-months house arrest so they can be monitored for a while. I’m sure they won’t get the max. Harsh sentences have to be within the judges discretion for crimes like this in case the assailant has a long prior record, shows no remorse, or other extenuating circumstances.

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  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=03638185598364754977 Cakeblast

    I agree with Jesse – Compensation to the victims, community service, plus they should get maybe 6-months house arrest so they can be monitored for a while. I’m sure they won’t get the max. Harsh sentences have to be within the judges discretion for crimes like this in case the assailant has a long prior record, shows no remorse, or other extenuating circumstances.

    I’m a new follower from Friday Follow. Have a great weekend :) http://cakeblast.com

  • http://www.suburbanturmoil.com/ Suburban Turmoil

    That’s tough. I’d hate for these boys’ lives to be ruined by jail. I’d also hate for other boys to think they’d get off easy if caught for a crime like this one. Someone easily could have been hurt or even killed. If my child had happened across one of these homemade bombs, I doubt I’d be arguing for leniency in the aftermath.

    My gut instinct is to bury them in community service. But I could also argue that there should be strict punishment for bomb making of any kind. I see both sides, which is why I decided to be a news reporter back in the day. :)

  • http://www.suburbanturmoil.com Suburban Turmoil

    That’s tough. I’d hate for these boys’ lives to be ruined by jail. I’d also hate for other boys to think they’d get off easy if caught for a crime like this one. Someone easily could have been hurt or even killed. If my child had happened across one of these homemade bombs, I doubt I’d be arguing for leniency in the aftermath.

    My gut instinct is to bury them in community service. But I could also argue that there should be strict punishment for bomb making of any kind. I see both sides, which is why I decided to be a news reporter back in the day. :)

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=15562149908047965545 Menopausal New Mom

    Oh the things kids get up to out of boredom. How irresponsible and thankfully no one was hurt. Absolutely punished but I don’t think their lives should be ruined. It’s a real toss up, how do you punish them to send out a message while not over punishing?

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=15562149908047965545 Menopausal New Mom

    Oh the things kids get up to out of boredom. How irresponsible and thankfully no one was hurt. Absolutely punished but I don’t think their lives should be ruined. It’s a real toss up, how do you punish them to send out a message while not over punishing?

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=07862570931568622262 Allergykidmom

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  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=16844483873154686076 but I had a coupon

    Stopping by from Friday follow – and am following you now!
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  • http://www.kraftymum.blogspot.com/ Marilyn

    I had a friend who at age 19 (and personality wise sounds a lot like these boys) went and made a small bomb similar to the one described and lit it off in a parking lot. Nothing was damaged and no one was hurt. He was not sent to jail but was fined and I think had to do some community service. He has never done anything like that again. I agree with you, hefty fine, community service, but no jail time.

  • http://www.kraftymum.blogspot.com Marilyn

    I had a friend who at age 19 (and personality wise sounds a lot like these boys) went and made a small bomb similar to the one described and lit it off in a parking lot. Nothing was damaged and no one was hurt. He was not sent to jail but was fined and I think had to do some community service. He has never done anything like that again. I agree with you, hefty fine, community service, but no jail time.

  • http://www.mom-et-al.com/ Maria

    Thank you everyone for your comments and input. It is wonderful to read each point of view! From what I’ve gathered these boys are so frightened right now not knowing what will happen to them, that they are highly unlikely to step a toe of out of line again if given a second chance.

  • http://www.mom-et-al.com Maria

    Thank you everyone for your comments and input. It is wonderful to read each point of view! From what I’ve gathered these boys are so frightened right now not knowing what will happen to them, that they are highly unlikely to step a toe of out of line again if given a second chance.

  • http://iwaitforthatday.blogspot.com/2010/02/saving-for-special-occasion.html LMJ

    A crime is a crime, regardless of where you come from, how many crimes you committed, or if you come from a good family or not. I know people that have been to jail and have come out changed and a totally different person. Yes, they’re good kids and all, but they could have caused major injury.

    At 18, they’re adults, not kids, and should be held accountable for their actions. Maybe prison might not help them…but I doubt a few community services will as well.

    I grew up in a poverty stricken hood, where there were little pranks like these that often went very wrong. A similar prank like this lead to a child being electrocuted and died. It was all because of a little prank that unfortunately, went VERY wrong.

    The problem with this country’s young people is that we are too soft on them.

    Just my opinion.

  • http://iwaitforthatday.blogspot.com/2010/02/saving-for-special-occasion.html LMJ

    A crime is a crime, regardless of where you come from, how many crimes you committed, or if you come from a good family or not. I know people that have been to jail and have come out changed and a totally different person. Yes, they’re good kids and all, but they could have caused major injury.

    At 18, they’re adults, not kids, and should be held accountable for their actions. Maybe prison might not help them…but I doubt a few community services will as well.

    I grew up in a poverty stricken hood, where there were little pranks like these that often went very wrong. A similar prank like this lead to a child being electrocuted and died. It was all because of a little prank that unfortunately, went VERY wrong.

    The problem with this country’s young people is that we are too soft on them.

    Just my opinion.

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=05286651075789554852 Diane {createdbydiane.blogspot

    I typed a comment and don’t know what happened to it.
    I’m following, glad you stopped by my blog. I am friends with parents whose kid did this very thing about a year and a half ago. their names were in the newspaper even the minors and they were all embarrassed after the fact. No one was injured, they got probation. Some kids are dumb, it is a bomb, it does explode! I really don’t know what they are thinking…they aren’t they are kids. That pretty much answers it.Sadly 18 year olds don’t act like adults at all.

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=05286651075789554852 Diane {createdbydiane.blogspot.com}

    I typed a comment and don’t know what happened to it.
    I’m following, glad you stopped by my blog. I am friends with parents whose kid did this very thing about a year and a half ago. their names were in the newspaper even the minors and they were all embarrassed after the fact. No one was injured, they got probation. Some kids are dumb, it is a bomb, it does explode! I really don’t know what they are thinking…they aren’t they are kids. That pretty much answers it.Sadly 18 year olds don’t act like adults at all.

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=13930423417749238423 christy

    I have a tendency to lean toward mercy when it comes to first offences. A lot of mercy with some correctional learning tools that causes them to think of how they can go about making their community a better place and use their times of boredom in a much more beneficial way.

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=13930423417749238423 christy

    I have a tendency to lean toward mercy when it comes to first offences. A lot of mercy with some correctional learning tools that causes them to think of how they can go about making their community a better place and use their times of boredom in a much more beneficial way.

  • http://www.hegavemeadream.blogspot.com/ deb

    First-time offender.

    I’m going with mercy and punishment, but not prison.

    Thanks for the follow…am now following you.

    Sweet dreams.

  • http://www.hegavemeadream.blogspot.com deb

    First-time offender.

    I’m going with mercy and punishment, but not prison.

    Thanks for the follow…am now following you.

    Sweet dreams.

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  • http://www.athomemom25.blogspot.com/ Laura

    I too feel like many who have commented, jail time should not be handed down. That being said, they not only came close to seriously hurting someone, but damaging or destroying a mail box is considered a Federal offense. They could have ended up with some serious jail time.

    They were bored. I have noticed, even my own kids will end up doing things you just look at later and go, “what were you thinking?” The thing is, they are still young and they were not thinking. Even at 18, they still have a teenagers mind.

    I am glad in ended up well in the end and boy will they have a story to tell their grand kids.

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  • http://www.athomemom25.blogspot.com Laura

    I too feel like many who have commented, jail time should not be handed down. That being said, they not only came close to seriously hurting someone, but damaging or destroying a mail box is considered a Federal offense. They could have ended up with some serious jail time.

    They were bored. I have noticed, even my own kids will end up doing things you just look at later and go, “what were you thinking?” The thing is, they are still young and they were not thinking. Even at 18, they still have a teenagers mind.

    I am glad in ended up well in the end and boy will they have a story to tell their grand kids.

    Also here from Friday Follow! ;)

  • http://mom-et-al.com/?fcsite=09024756162657930594&fcprofile=14257481162130359185 Ada

    This would be an interesting topic. However, when I received an email of the same thing. I have an urge to try it, if it really bomb. Good thing soda is expensive in our town. Anyways, in this kind of sentence, i feel afraid for my kids. That thing was not acted with intentions. Good thing no one was hurt. However I could say the judgement is so unfair. It should be reviewed and get another appeal. I am following you now…

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    This would be an interesting topic. However, when I received an email of the same thing. I have an urge to try it, if it really bomb. Good thing soda is expensive in our town. Anyways, in this kind of sentence, i feel afraid for my kids. That thing was not acted with intentions. Good thing no one was hurt. However I could say the judgement is so unfair. It should be reviewed and get another appeal. I am following you now…

  • Jared

    Wow. This sounds like me.

    Today, I was pulled out of class by three police officers and i admitted to placing an acid bomb in a mailbox.

    I am no longer able to walk at my graduation, and my full-ride scholarships are on the lines. This is my 1st offense ever and you can bet that i have done my fair share of crying myself. I have to deal with fines and peers now. I do not see that spending time in jail will fix anything. You can believe me when i tell you that i am DONE! I want to walk with my class so bad, you don't even know.